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Under review [Indev 0.51.1] Mean Look Infinite Loop

adm0n

Pokémon Ranger
Gymleader Morty from Ecruteak City only used mean look with his his Gengar and second Hunter.

What I expected to happen:
He should've beet me up, using a verity of attacks

What actually happened:
When I went on to get my badge in Ecruteak City, I encountered a funny but kind of disappointing problem.
I started the battle with Morty and fought his Gastly with my Flaaffy. Everything went normal, he fought well but in the end I won that first battle.
After that, he send out his first Hunter and killed my Flaaffy ): Well I send out my Kadabra and firmly defeated him.
Then he one-hitted me with his Gengar, forcing me to send out my Pidgeotto. He first attacked using hypnosis, but it failed, then I attacked him once with Twister, but realizing that wouldn't bring me far, I changed to use Sand-Attack. Well he hit me twice with sucker punch, almost killing my Pidgeotto.

I hit him with another Sand-Attack and this is where things start to get bizarre. He Used Mean Look, it worked. I hit him with another Sand-Attack ... and then he used mean look again, it failed. So this went on until I couldn't get his accuracy down anymore ... and then I just used like 10 gusts to kill the Gengar, as it was only using mean look. But Morty was intelligent, so he send out his second Hunter and to kill me, he used his most powerful attack ... yeah ... Mean Look again (and that before I could hit him with another sand-attack). I guess Morty is kind of affected by that attack.

Well i don't know if this was a single case thing, but it certainly made for a disappointing gym battle.

Hope this might show you guys a flaw in the AI or maybe it just annoyed you to read through all this text. As special thanks you can have a picture of
Gengar and Hunter using Morty favorite attack :) 2014-11-11_15.32.02.png2014-11-11_15.34.11.png

Steps to reproduce:
( I Fought with Morty again.)
I killed that Gastly with my Fluffy, after that it survived a Sucker punch ...
Now it's back to the Mean looks. Flaffy is a pure electro typ, so I guess it would be able to use any move on me right?

PS: The problem only seems to effect Gengar and the second Hunter, because the other ones use their moves perfectly fine ...
 
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Fanta

Content Developer
P3D Developer
Global Moderator
Gymleader Morty from Ecruteak City only used mean look with his his Gengar and second Hunter.

What I expected to happen:
He should've beet me up, using a verity of attacks

What actually happened:
When I went on to get my badge in Ecruteak City, I encountered a funny but kind of disappointing problem.
I started the battle with Morty and fought his Gastly with my Flaaffy. Everything went normal, he fought well but in the end I won that first battle.
After that, he send out his first Hunter and killed my Flaaffy ): Well I send out my Kadabra and firmly defeated him.
Then he one-hitted me with his Gengar, forcing me to send out my Pidgeotto. He first attacked using hypnosis, but it failed, then I attacked him once with Twister, but realizing that wouldn't bring me far, I changed to use Sand-Attack. Well he hit me twice with sucker punch, almost killing my Pidgeotto.

I hit him with another Sand-Attack and this is where things start to get bizarre. He Used Mean Look, it worked. I hit him with another Sand-Attack ... and then he used mean look again, it failed. So this went on until I couldn't get his accuracy down anymore ... and then I just used like 10 gusts to kill the Gengar, as it was only using mean look. But Morty was intelligent, so he send out his second Hunter and to kill me, he used his most powerful attack ... yeah ... Mean Look again (and that before I could hit him with another sand-attack). I guess Morty is kind of affected by that attack.

Well i don't know if this was a single case thing, but it certainly made for a disappointing gym battle.

Hope this might show you guys a flaw in the AI or maybe it just annoyed you to read through all this text. As special thanks you can have a picture of
Gengar and Hunter using Morty favorite attack :) View attachment 6624View attachment 6625

Steps to reproduce:
X Can't reproduce because I can't fight the gym leader again. Someone else might want to try it.
Sucker punch has 5 PP, so what happened most likely is that the move ran out of PP and the morty was left with no moves to beat your pokemon with, the other move it knows which is nightshade is a ghost move and does not affect your normal pidgeotto
 

adm0n

Pokémon Ranger
I don't know on which game you've based your gym leaders off (I'd go for HG and SS because of the berry Gengar was holding), but in either case the Sucker Punch was only used 3 times (once to kill my Kadabra and two times attacking my Pidgeotto). And that doesn't explain why Gengar didn't use hypnosis again. And the other Hunter would have a full set of Sucker Punches for me again, as well as Curse, which would have done way more. Mean look just looks like a ... very bad decision.
 

nilllzz

Original Developer
Administrator
P3D Developer
Curse would be a Ghost move as well.
The game's AI is not programmed to handle with specific situations but can adapt to certain scenarios.
To get this right for every situation is rather complicated and might bring up a few issues when dealing with certain scenarios. And since most parts of the AI have a little randomness factor into their decisions, it's hard to replicate this.
 

adm0n

Pokémon Ranger
I didn't know that they changed the type of Curse for Gen.5 : D However I didn't save after I won, so I'm just gonna try the same thing tomorrow.
If I succeed, I'll add it to the description above, if not I'll close this thread (if I'm able to) : D
 
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nullCore

Trainer
I'm confirming this, as a similar thing happened to me as well. Although my case was nowhere as funny nor fun as yours is. You could say that I was really unfortunate.
 
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